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		<title>By: DQ</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2009/10/21/239/comment-page-1/#comment-2877</link>
		<dc:creator>DQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Article in WI State Journal today explains AAALAC problem - happened in Med School (DeLuca&#039;s previous home), not in the Grad School.  It&#039;s understandable that it took some time to complete the WIMR building so that the animals could be transferred from MSC and it&#039;s also a relief to others on campus with animals that this AAALAC problem was cleared up.  However, it seems that this was a Med School problem more than a Graduate School problem so I have to wonder why the Grad School is taking the hit for it. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article in WI State Journal today explains AAALAC problem &#8211; happened in Med School (DeLuca&#8217;s previous home), not in the Grad School.  It&#8217;s understandable that it took some time to complete the WIMR building so that the animals could be transferred from MSC and it&#8217;s also a relief to others on campus with animals that this AAALAC problem was cleared up.  However, it seems that this was a Med School problem more than a Graduate School problem so I have to wonder why the Grad School is taking the hit for it. </p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2009/10/21/239/comment-page-1/#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know anything more than you do.  I&#039;m just saying that if there were so many near misses and screw-ups in the current functioning and structure of the Graduate School, then maybe they should fix the graduate school by changing personnel, leadership or responsibilities?   Perhaps have the team focus more on the management of the research enterprise, and less on graduate education per se?  (After all, graduate education happens in the departments, not at the Graduate School itself.)

Please don&#039;t infer that I&#039;m advocating sacking a bunch of people.   I&#039;m not.  But it&#039;s a question that I think should be asked.  In the private sector (i.e. real world), if a unit is having problems, you generally look to have someone come in a try to fix it before throwing more money into management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything more than you do.  I&#8217;m just saying that if there were so many near misses and screw-ups in the current functioning and structure of the Graduate School, then maybe they should fix the graduate school by changing personnel, leadership or responsibilities?   Perhaps have the team focus more on the management of the research enterprise, and less on graduate education per se?  (After all, graduate education happens in the departments, not at the Graduate School itself.)</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t infer that I&#8217;m advocating sacking a bunch of people.   I&#8217;m not.  But it&#8217;s a question that I think should be asked.  In the private sector (i.e. real world), if a unit is having problems, you generally look to have someone come in a try to fix it before throwing more money into management.</p>
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		<title>By: ELY</title>
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		<dc:creator>ELY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous:  It is probably safe to say that most of us (faculty and staff) that have been trying to make sense of this restructuring proposal have no idea what specific problems occurred within the Graduate School that would warrant people losing their jobs.  We (or at least I) were under the impression that it was a question of inadequate resources.  Are we wrong?  Could you please elaborate?  Who should be accountable, and for what?  What is your specific suggestion, and how would it satisfy the other objectives that have been cited by the provost for the restructuring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous:  It is probably safe to say that most of us (faculty and staff) that have been trying to make sense of this restructuring proposal have no idea what specific problems occurred within the Graduate School that would warrant people losing their jobs.  We (or at least I) were under the impression that it was a question of inadequate resources.  Are we wrong?  Could you please elaborate?  Who should be accountable, and for what?  What is your specific suggestion, and how would it satisfy the other objectives that have been cited by the provost for the restructuring?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that there are some important points on both sides of this issue.

But rather than restructure the entire Graduate School into two units, could they try modifying the existing Graduate School structure?  To start, perhaps some changes in leadership are needed?  If there were so many problems, then why did no one lose their job?  Where&#039;s the accountability here?

Some re-alignment of the leadership of the Graduate School, at the highest levels, might accomplish a lot.  Changing the duties of the Associate Deans might be helpful too.

Wouldn&#039;t this be easier?  And wouldn&#039;t it show that the UW is acting responsibly, with accountability, rather than growing the administrative layers more and more?

Just a thought.  I don&#039;t really have an axe to grind here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that there are some important points on both sides of this issue.</p>
<p>But rather than restructure the entire Graduate School into two units, could they try modifying the existing Graduate School structure?  To start, perhaps some changes in leadership are needed?  If there were so many problems, then why did no one lose their job?  Where&#8217;s the accountability here?</p>
<p>Some re-alignment of the leadership of the Graduate School, at the highest levels, might accomplish a lot.  Changing the duties of the Associate Deans might be helpful too.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this be easier?  And wouldn&#8217;t it show that the UW is acting responsibly, with accountability, rather than growing the administrative layers more and more?</p>
<p>Just a thought.  I don&#8217;t really have an axe to grind here.</p>
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		<title>By: A Concerned Graduate Student</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2009/10/21/239/comment-page-1/#comment-2867</link>
		<dc:creator>A Concerned Graduate Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Provost DeLuca has developed and shared a proposal that would involve creating a new position — a vice chancellor for research — whose responsibility it would be to coordinate research infrastructure in a separate Office for Research, foster research efforts across campus, and  &lt;strong&gt;establish a greater presence with funding agencies and foundations for UW-Madison and its researchers and scholars&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot; 

I want to draw particular attention to the phrase I have highlighted above  and ask the reader to keep this in mind.

I write to share a comment made by a faculty member at a department meeting I attended where the faculty discussed the proposed restructuring plan. The faculty member noted that this trend of having an &#039;advocate&#039; in Washington to &#039;establish a greater presence&#039; etc. comes dangerously close to realizing a process where some research or research areas are deemed worthy of funding, are recognized as posing &quot;legitimate&quot; questions, while others lack this &quot;quality&quot;; the judgment then rests not on the answers and insights research would provide of our world, but would reflect what was politically acceptable to support .  

It seems quite clear to me that this proposed &quot;strategy&quot; element would affect what falls within the realm of academic inquiry because those troublesome and inconvenient questions about our world would likely be under-researched at best and un-researched at worst. Despite the Chancellor&#039;s claim to the contrary that  &quot;it is not the job of the administration to decide what faculty will pursue in research and scholarship&quot;, I think pursuing an organizational structure and policy that relies on such an &quot;advocate&quot; in Washington WOULD ABSOLUTELY dictate the research agenda of universities and the researchers who work in them. How could it not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Provost DeLuca has developed and shared a proposal that would involve creating a new position — a vice chancellor for research — whose responsibility it would be to coordinate research infrastructure in a separate Office for Research, foster research efforts across campus, and  <strong>establish a greater presence with funding agencies and foundations for UW-Madison and its researchers and scholars</strong>.&#8221; </p>
<p>I want to draw particular attention to the phrase I have highlighted above  and ask the reader to keep this in mind.</p>
<p>I write to share a comment made by a faculty member at a department meeting I attended where the faculty discussed the proposed restructuring plan. The faculty member noted that this trend of having an &#8216;advocate&#8217; in Washington to &#8216;establish a greater presence&#8217; etc. comes dangerously close to realizing a process where some research or research areas are deemed worthy of funding, are recognized as posing &#8220;legitimate&#8221; questions, while others lack this &#8220;quality&#8221;; the judgment then rests not on the answers and insights research would provide of our world, but would reflect what was politically acceptable to support .  </p>
<p>It seems quite clear to me that this proposed &#8220;strategy&#8221; element would affect what falls within the realm of academic inquiry because those troublesome and inconvenient questions about our world would likely be under-researched at best and un-researched at worst. Despite the Chancellor&#8217;s claim to the contrary that  &#8220;it is not the job of the administration to decide what faculty will pursue in research and scholarship&#8221;, I think pursuing an organizational structure and policy that relies on such an &#8220;advocate&#8221; in Washington WOULD ABSOLUTELY dictate the research agenda of universities and the researchers who work in them. How could it not?</p>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2009/10/21/239/comment-page-1/#comment-2866</link>
		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to the possible role of &quot;bottom-up&quot; vs. &quot;top-down&quot; in our success, I can provide a personal anecdote:   I was at another Big Ten university for 10 years, and I did well enough there that I made tenure a year early.  But I never felt at home and was always watching for an exit.  A very big part of the reason was its very top-down, corporate style administration.  The departments had heads, not chairs, the heads were picked by the deans, and so on up the line.   In fact, our head, when I was new there, had been the result of an outside search, so he wasn&#039;t even drawn from the department he presided over. 

The heads controlled pay raises and a lot of other things.   The faculty tended to be afraid of the unilateral discretion of the heads, and the heads in turn probably felt the same way about the deans.  In short, the atmosphere was tense, and people who had complaints about the way things were being run kept their complaints to themselves or confided them only to trusted friends.  Faculty meetings were an odd mix of run-of-the-mill business and subliminal politicking.  Secret alliances were common.

When I had the chance to move to UW-Madison, I saw it first and foremost as a chance to escape that oppressive top-down environment.  Actually starting here felt like a breath of fresh air. My new colleagues were egalitarian and collegial, and decisions were (and still are) made largely by consensus.  I felt empowered to do useful things with and for the department without worrying about running afoul of someone higher up.   I noticed that nobody bitched about the chair, because, after all, they elected him.

For all these reasons, I quickly came to feel very loyal to UW-Madison and its unabashed embrace of shared governance.  I also noticed that UW-Madison had attracted a lot of other people with the same values as mine and that these tended to be creative, energetic scholars and researchers.  I saw, and still see, a correlation.

If there&#039;s a single factor in the present situation that most explains my gut reaction, it&#039;s my perception that the provost is pursuing exactly the kind of unilateral, top-down leadership I thought I had escaped.

I had a hallway conversation recently with a colleague who is one of the most visible and productive researchers and teachers in our field.  He, too,  is extremely concerned about what&#039;s happening.  He said something like this:  &quot;If they succeed in taking away what we have had here, I&#039;m not really sure I would want to work here anymore.&quot;  I understood what he meant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the possible role of &#8220;bottom-up&#8221; vs. &#8220;top-down&#8221; in our success, I can provide a personal anecdote:   I was at another Big Ten university for 10 years, and I did well enough there that I made tenure a year early.  But I never felt at home and was always watching for an exit.  A very big part of the reason was its very top-down, corporate style administration.  The departments had heads, not chairs, the heads were picked by the deans, and so on up the line.   In fact, our head, when I was new there, had been the result of an outside search, so he wasn&#8217;t even drawn from the department he presided over. </p>
<p>The heads controlled pay raises and a lot of other things.   The faculty tended to be afraid of the unilateral discretion of the heads, and the heads in turn probably felt the same way about the deans.  In short, the atmosphere was tense, and people who had complaints about the way things were being run kept their complaints to themselves or confided them only to trusted friends.  Faculty meetings were an odd mix of run-of-the-mill business and subliminal politicking.  Secret alliances were common.</p>
<p>When I had the chance to move to UW-Madison, I saw it first and foremost as a chance to escape that oppressive top-down environment.  Actually starting here felt like a breath of fresh air. My new colleagues were egalitarian and collegial, and decisions were (and still are) made largely by consensus.  I felt empowered to do useful things with and for the department without worrying about running afoul of someone higher up.   I noticed that nobody bitched about the chair, because, after all, they elected him.</p>
<p>For all these reasons, I quickly came to feel very loyal to UW-Madison and its unabashed embrace of shared governance.  I also noticed that UW-Madison had attracted a lot of other people with the same values as mine and that these tended to be creative, energetic scholars and researchers.  I saw, and still see, a correlation.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a single factor in the present situation that most explains my gut reaction, it&#8217;s my perception that the provost is pursuing exactly the kind of unilateral, top-down leadership I thought I had escaped.</p>
<p>I had a hallway conversation recently with a colleague who is one of the most visible and productive researchers and teachers in our field.  He, too,  is extremely concerned about what&#8217;s happening.  He said something like this:  &#8220;If they succeed in taking away what we have had here, I&#8217;m not really sure I would want to work here anymore.&#8221;  I understood what he meant.</p>
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