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		<title>Comment on Recommendations from the Academic Staff Executive Committee for the HR Design Phase I Work Groups by Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank the work team members for investing so much of their time over the last 4 and a half months devising these recommendations.

Some of the hurdles that the work teams faced were timeline, presentation, support and moral.  

The short timeline has necessitated many work team members volunteering 10% to 20% of there time during the work week for meetings over the last 3 or 4 months.  Additionally, they needed to spend time outside of those meetings to review information(data) that is still being delivered from the consultants and campus feedback, while still performing their job on campus.

The business case template provided by project leadership or Huron was not the optimal way to present the details of the recommendations to campus.  It was cumbersome and repetitive.  The work teams have spent a lot of time fleshing out these recommendations so including more details of the rational and examples of how they see things working would be very helpful. I suspect that the teams have discussed in great detail most aspects that are being presented as feedback.  Unfortunately, #1, they can&#039;t list every conversation they&#039;ve ever had on the case study, and #2, with the cases so dense and repetitive, it is easy to overlook some of the details that show they discussed these aspects.

I heard complaints about problems of having enough support for work teams to get data they wanted from project leadership or Huron in a timely matter or until it was too late.  One of ASECs complaints was they would of liked to see more data but collecting data takes a long time which isn&#039;t available.  For the work teams further time, unfortunately, is not available.  It may be time for governance groups to ask for this data collection and ensure it is obtained.

After the phase 1 recommendations were released work teams were given less than a month to obtain feedback and incorporate suggestions.  This put a lot of pressure on everyone to review and submit feedback as quickly as possible.  Given that the work teams didn&#039;t have a lot of time to review lengthy feedback many of us kept feedback brief and focused on the things we wanted fixed rather then identify all the elements about the case studies that we liked and wanted to ensure was preserved.  Seeing all the negative feedback and not much positive feedback on something that so much time has been invested has to be demoralizing.

It is great seeing campus so engaged and able to provide feedback on all of the recommendations being put forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank the work team members for investing so much of their time over the last 4 and a half months devising these recommendations.</p>
<p>Some of the hurdles that the work teams faced were timeline, presentation, support and moral.  </p>
<p>The short timeline has necessitated many work team members volunteering 10% to 20% of there time during the work week for meetings over the last 3 or 4 months.  Additionally, they needed to spend time outside of those meetings to review information(data) that is still being delivered from the consultants and campus feedback, while still performing their job on campus.</p>
<p>The business case template provided by project leadership or Huron was not the optimal way to present the details of the recommendations to campus.  It was cumbersome and repetitive.  The work teams have spent a lot of time fleshing out these recommendations so including more details of the rational and examples of how they see things working would be very helpful. I suspect that the teams have discussed in great detail most aspects that are being presented as feedback.  Unfortunately, #1, they can&#8217;t list every conversation they&#8217;ve ever had on the case study, and #2, with the cases so dense and repetitive, it is easy to overlook some of the details that show they discussed these aspects.</p>
<p>I heard complaints about problems of having enough support for work teams to get data they wanted from project leadership or Huron in a timely matter or until it was too late.  One of ASECs complaints was they would of liked to see more data but collecting data takes a long time which isn&#8217;t available.  For the work teams further time, unfortunately, is not available.  It may be time for governance groups to ask for this data collection and ensure it is obtained.</p>
<p>After the phase 1 recommendations were released work teams were given less than a month to obtain feedback and incorporate suggestions.  This put a lot of pressure on everyone to review and submit feedback as quickly as possible.  Given that the work teams didn&#8217;t have a lot of time to review lengthy feedback many of us kept feedback brief and focused on the things we wanted fixed rather then identify all the elements about the case studies that we liked and wanted to ensure was preserved.  Seeing all the negative feedback and not much positive feedback on something that so much time has been invested has to be demoralizing.</p>
<p>It is great seeing campus so engaged and able to provide feedback on all of the recommendations being put forth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The continued marketization of UW-Madison. by Frank Rojas</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/05/03/the-continued-marketization-of-uw-madison/comment-page-1/#comment-39348</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I though everything was to be sunshine and lollipops with the evil Biddy Martin gone and wonderful Ward re-taking charge. Faculty would again reign supreme.  I guess life is just a series of disappointments for some folks. Maybe the administration actually has a role too. UW is too large to run by committees of often uninterested faculty with more pressing things to do that actually relate to their training and interests. Many things sound just great in theory. But they rarely prove the panacea some like to believe. Even well done studies often prove very difficult to replicate over time. I read a study that found that to be the case. It&#039;s always those unknown unknowns that seem to confound even the best supported theories and programs. 

http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/is-psychology-about-to-come-undone/29045

And why is it that educators resist evalaution more than any other professional group? They always have 100 reasons why it cannot or should not be done. Most of know there is no perfect way to evaluate people but it has to be done and we do the best we can. And it is usually good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I though everything was to be sunshine and lollipops with the evil Biddy Martin gone and wonderful Ward re-taking charge. Faculty would again reign supreme.  I guess life is just a series of disappointments for some folks. Maybe the administration actually has a role too. UW is too large to run by committees of often uninterested faculty with more pressing things to do that actually relate to their training and interests. Many things sound just great in theory. But they rarely prove the panacea some like to believe. Even well done studies often prove very difficult to replicate over time. I read a study that found that to be the case. It&#8217;s always those unknown unknowns that seem to confound even the best supported theories and programs. </p>
<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/is-psychology-about-to-come-undone/29045" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/is-psychology-about-to-come-undone/29045</a></p>
<p>And why is it that educators resist evalaution more than any other professional group? They always have 100 reasons why it cannot or should not be done. Most of know there is no perfect way to evaluate people but it has to be done and we do the best we can. And it is usually good enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The continued marketization of UW-Madison. by Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that this is not an unexpected challenge, since UW leans heavily on faculty service already while providing few rewards (including providing even less information and authority than in the past) what strategies were used? The Administration has to understand that the way processes are being handled makes faculty question whether being involved will matter at all- whether shared governance is simply being paid lip service-- and whether all the time devoted would be little more than putting lipstick on a pig.

The low expectations for faculty in other words may be a symptom of a larger problem and a cause of this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that this is not an unexpected challenge, since UW leans heavily on faculty service already while providing few rewards (including providing even less information and authority than in the past) what strategies were used? The Administration has to understand that the way processes are being handled makes faculty question whether being involved will matter at all- whether shared governance is simply being paid lip service&#8211; and whether all the time devoted would be little more than putting lipstick on a pig.</p>
<p>The low expectations for faculty in other words may be a symptom of a larger problem and a cause of this one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The continued marketization of UW-Madison. by Debbie</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/05/03/the-continued-marketization-of-uw-madison/comment-page-1/#comment-39322</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faculty were asked last fall to be on these work teams.  Many who were nominated, declined due to other commitments.  The lack of faculty involvement has been a concern from the beginning by many on the work teams but getting faculty to volunteer for this kind of a time commitment has not been easy.  I mentioned the importance of HR Design at faculty meetings and have been challenged with &quot;Why should I care&quot; and &quot;What&#039;s in it for me&quot;.  One of our greatest concerns was that the work teams would do all this work, get to the end and have the faculty finally take some interest in it and say we we weren&#039;t involved.  Regarding classified involvement - the Employee categories started out with 4 classified employees (1 dropped off due to a job change) - that represents 25% of the team.  Many of the HR people also represent their own categories - non-represented or academic staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faculty were asked last fall to be on these work teams.  Many who were nominated, declined due to other commitments.  The lack of faculty involvement has been a concern from the beginning by many on the work teams but getting faculty to volunteer for this kind of a time commitment has not been easy.  I mentioned the importance of HR Design at faculty meetings and have been challenged with &#8220;Why should I care&#8221; and &#8220;What&#8217;s in it for me&#8221;.  One of our greatest concerns was that the work teams would do all this work, get to the end and have the faculty finally take some interest in it and say we we weren&#8217;t involved.  Regarding classified involvement &#8211; the Employee categories started out with 4 classified employees (1 dropped off due to a job change) &#8211; that represents 25% of the team.  Many of the HR people also represent their own categories &#8211; non-represented or academic staff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;We won&#8217;t take it anymore&#8221;:  UW-Madison students mobilize for student loan debt relief. by Alyson Sewell</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/04/05/we-wont-take-it-anymore-uw-madison-students-mobilize-for-student-loan-debt-relief/comment-page-1/#comment-36797</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyson Sewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-stated, and so true.  Thank you for this post, and your leadership.

Alyson Sewell
TA/PA/graduate student in the German Department</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-stated, and so true.  Thank you for this post, and your leadership.</p>
<p>Alyson Sewell<br />
TA/PA/graduate student in the German Department</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is this what shared governance looks like? by Frank Rojas</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/03/21/is-this-what-shared-governance-looks-like/comment-page-1/#comment-35674</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being allowed to &quot;consult&quot; on an issue is a LONG way from being the decider. Ward is the decider for UW and if you don&#039;t like it you can appeal to the UW BOR. Good luck with that. They will back their chancellor in any such relatively minor matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being allowed to &#8220;consult&#8221; on an issue is a LONG way from being the decider. Ward is the decider for UW and if you don&#8217;t like it you can appeal to the UW BOR. Good luck with that. They will back their chancellor in any such relatively minor matter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are Our Pensions Next? by Scrabble Player</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/01/05/are-our-pensions-next/comment-page-1/#comment-35662</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrabble Player</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be the main goal of Walkers&#039; regime. Busting unions is only a step toward control of huge amounts of money from many years of  savings (yes they are savings not handouts because all pension contributions are part of the negotiated salary).  Manufactured crises is the tactic, stealing is the goal.

This is exactly what has happened in Europe....Europe is not poor, so why so many crises and &quot;austerity&quot; measures?  It&#039;s to simply grab the loot.  In one country, 60% of the pension fund was forced by government to &quot;buy&quot; 99% stocks of a failed bank and is now paying out full amounts to all prior corrupt investors.  In a few years, no more pensions.....

Well, it&#039;s clear what has happened- elite are stealing the pension after stealing from the banks.   As long as the politicians are not held personally responsible for abetting the robbery, it will continue.  That is why the recall is the first step as a warning other politicians.  The fight is much bigger than saving union rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be the main goal of Walkers&#8217; regime. Busting unions is only a step toward control of huge amounts of money from many years of  savings (yes they are savings not handouts because all pension contributions are part of the negotiated salary).  Manufactured crises is the tactic, stealing is the goal.</p>
<p>This is exactly what has happened in Europe&#8230;.Europe is not poor, so why so many crises and &#8220;austerity&#8221; measures?  It&#8217;s to simply grab the loot.  In one country, 60% of the pension fund was forced by government to &#8220;buy&#8221; 99% stocks of a failed bank and is now paying out full amounts to all prior corrupt investors.  In a few years, no more pensions&#8230;..</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s clear what has happened- elite are stealing the pension after stealing from the banks.   As long as the politicians are not held personally responsible for abetting the robbery, it will continue.  That is why the recall is the first step as a warning other politicians.  The fight is much bigger than saving union rights.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Educational experiments and the long view. by Admin</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/03/19/educational-experiments-and-the-long-view/comment-page-1/#comment-35499</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s more on MOOCS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/education/beyond-the-college-degree-online-educational-badges.html?_r=2&amp;scp=5&amp;sq=Stanford%20internet&amp;st=cse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s more on MOOCS:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/education/beyond-the-college-degree-online-educational-badges.html?_r=2&#038;scp=5&#038;sq=Stanford%20internet&#038;st=cse" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/education/beyond-the-college-degree-online-educational-badges.html?_r=2&#038;scp=5&#038;sq=Stanford%20internet&#038;st=cse</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Wisconsin Retirement System: The attack against it. How to protect it. by Admin</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/03/02/the-wisconsin-retirement-system-the-attack-against-it-how-to-protect-it/comment-page-1/#comment-35229</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following update was received from WUU:

&quot;Wisconsin University Union, in conjunction with the AFSCME unions, is offering two additional presentations on the Wisconsin Retirement System. Please note that this message has been sent to a very limited list of contacts. As such, your colleagues would benefit from sharing this information with them.

&quot;The presentations will be held at:

Monday, March 19 // 12 PM-1 PM *Union South (TITU)
Monday, March 26// 5-6 PM HSLC Rm 1248

&quot;We hope your schedule will permit you to join us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following update was received from WUU:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wisconsin University Union, in conjunction with the AFSCME unions, is offering two additional presentations on the Wisconsin Retirement System. Please note that this message has been sent to a very limited list of contacts. As such, your colleagues would benefit from sharing this information with them.</p>
<p>&#8220;The presentations will be held at:</p>
<p>Monday, March 19 // 12 PM-1 PM *Union South (TITU)<br />
Monday, March 26// 5-6 PM HSLC Rm 1248</p>
<p>&#8220;We hope your schedule will permit you to join us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anecdotes don&#8217;t reflect UW reality by David Ahrens</title>
		<link>http://siftingandwinnowing.org/2012/03/13/anecdotes-dont-reflect-uw-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-35159</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ahrens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to underline the depth and breadth of the problem described in the Allie&#039;s column, this is from the NYT today...(a doubling of interest rates!)


On Tuesday, students rallied on Capitol Hill to protest a pending interest rate increase in subsidized loans made to low- and moderate-income undergraduates under the federal Stafford program. The rate is scheduled to increase to 6.8 percent from 3.4 percent for new loans made after June 30.

How can this be? A law called the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 reduced the interest rates on subsidized Stafford loans incrementally over four academic years, from 6.8 percent at the time to the current 3.4 percent.  But the rates are scheduled to jump back up on July 1, unless Congress acts to extend the current rate — a tall order, in the charged election year political climate. (Representative Joe Courtney, Democrat of Connecticut, has introduced a bill to extend the lower rate.)

Student advocates have been worried about the level of student debt. And they warn that the Stafford increase will further burden borrowers by adding thousands of dollars to the cost of financing a college degree. Rich Williams, higher education advocate with the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, said nearly 8 million students take out the loans each year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to underline the depth and breadth of the problem described in the Allie&#8217;s column, this is from the NYT today&#8230;(a doubling of interest rates!)</p>
<p>On Tuesday, students rallied on Capitol Hill to protest a pending interest rate increase in subsidized loans made to low- and moderate-income undergraduates under the federal Stafford program. The rate is scheduled to increase to 6.8 percent from 3.4 percent for new loans made after June 30.</p>
<p>How can this be? A law called the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 reduced the interest rates on subsidized Stafford loans incrementally over four academic years, from 6.8 percent at the time to the current 3.4 percent.  But the rates are scheduled to jump back up on July 1, unless Congress acts to extend the current rate — a tall order, in the charged election year political climate. (Representative Joe Courtney, Democrat of Connecticut, has introduced a bill to extend the lower rate.)</p>
<p>Student advocates have been worried about the level of student debt. And they warn that the Stafford increase will further burden borrowers by adding thousands of dollars to the cost of financing a college degree. Rich Williams, higher education advocate with the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, said nearly 8 million students take out the loans each year.</p>
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